the majority of the american people want deficits and jobs are going head to head which they are, if you're cutting spending an raising taxes particularly on the people who spend their money in the economy immediately. the american people want jobs two to one. and so this is going to be the real challenge for us to sort of navigate this obstacle course and get squarely back on the issue of jobs to make sure that we're actually spending more in the short term and, you know, if you read the tea leaves with bernanke he's saying what he doesn't want is any immediate austerity that includes spending cuts as well as just tax increases. >> ben, do you agree with that sort of view, as ben bernanke as a secret liberal? >> i mean -- >> he's trying to fix the economy. >> i don't think there's any disagreement, nobody who's pro cliff, the framing of it and the whole idea was that this was something so horrific they would be forced to negotiate in good faith and reach a deal before it. i do think -- you're right. it does cast into relief the pretty broad consensus that immediate austerity is not